Thursday, May 25, 2006

Banned from DeviantArt: The full story

Ok, I'm really over it. But I gotta tell that story about twice a day to people who just discovered I got banned. So I'm gonna write one final post where I will explain everything. Then I'll be able to direct people here and it'll be easier for me.

How it began:
Someone pointed me to the case of Suzi9mm, a DeviantArt (DA) admin who is above the rules. She could get away with policy violations people like me could not. For exemple, this picture includes breats grabbing. That's a DA policy violation. Don't waste your time reporting it, it's not going away. But the fact that Suzi9mm is an admin was not the only reason she was above the rules. She also works with Suicide Girls, a sponsor of DA. And I guess you don't censor a cash cow. I did also point out that Suzi9mm's art was overrated and crap.

The first ban:
My first ban was only temporary. But I didn't really know that until I got unbanned two weeks later. As well as getting banned, 26 of my Deviations got deleted. Some Miss Dynamite anime episodes were deleted for Copyright Violation, which you'll gather makes no sense at all. From the looks of it, they deleted stuff from gallery quite randomly. An admin was obviously pissed off at me.

I'm leaving:
As I've said before, you can't really call this a matter of Freedom of Speech. DA is privatly owned (or stolen by Spyed) and they do what they please with it. My problem wasn't that they had rules, my problem was the rules were inconsistant and highly subjective. For exemple, a pic like this one would have been deleted on DA. Why? Because Link as an erection, through his clothes...
Of course, if you're admin/sponsor, you're clear.
When you decide that you're banning pornographic nudity but allowing artistic nudity, you're opening a can of worms. The difference between art and pornography is so subjective even the US Supreme Court couldn't define it.
So I had it with these people, I should have left way before to concentrate my activities on my own website. All the time I was on DA, I was providing them with free art so they could collect money from their sponsor. And I ain't got shit for it. I even bought a Prints account, which is a scam, I never sold one single print (And it's not because I can't sell anything, because I've sold mangas on my website).
And I didn't forget the time I tried to have the American National-Socialist Union club on DA kicked out for promoting their Nazi ideology.

How to leave?:
After taking the decision of leaving, I first decided to leave with a bang and do something that would get me banned for good. Then after thinking some more, I wasn't so sure it was a good idea. I knew some people who are DA admins and I didn't want them to think I was dissing them too. Could DA even be petty enough to sue me?? On the other hand, I didn't want my art to remain on DA. They would continue making money from the ads when people would surf through my gallery and I didn't want that. Manually deleting every single pics would have taken a whole day, quite a pain in the ass. Then people where expecting me to fight dah man one last time. And hey! what can I say, I'm a crowd pleaser. Also, getting a permanant ban would get rid of my gallery with one swift blow. So yeah, FUCK THEM IN TEH ASS!

Leaving with a BANG!:
And so I drew one last deviation that would get me banned once and for all. I announced it the day before and apparently (I was counting on that) the DA admins were keeping a close eye on me, because when I uploaded the pic, I was banned 30 SECONDS later! hahaha! Very few people got the chance to see it happen live.

After the ban:
What now? I've opened a gallery on MissDynamite.com. Now all the Google ad revenues will go directly to me and I'm hoping I can install a plug-in to the gallery software that would allow comments (I can already do it with HaloScan, but it's a pain). Journal entries will go on EvasBlogOfTerror, so I'm hoping this blog gets more traffic. Use the RSS feed for updates, or use the FeedBlitz subscription if you don't know how to use feeds (it on the right, next to the Google ad).

And thus this closes the DeviantArt chapter of my so far weird career.

68 Comments:

Blogger Angel_Saul said...

OK
That explain all...

2:56 PM  
Blogger Reaper8436247 said...

The best way to fight dah man with private companies is to produce something that's better and steal all their customers.

Good job so far!

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hehehe...

Good going, Che...

12:03 AM  
Blogger Josh said...

Glad to see I'm not the only one boycotting DA for their shit anymore.

Fight the power.

1:43 AM  
Anonymous Stephanie said...

Wow, that's really impressive. I haven't been to DA in months, but I decided to check up on some sites, and yours was one. Banned! I wasn't too surprised, but I like the story behind it. I'm working on my own art site and I'm going to leave DA too, but I'm afraid my exit will be quite boring.

7:16 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Let me know when you have your own site. :)

7:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sirkowski:
im currently starting to hate deviantart a little bit more than i had
the fuckin terms and conditions are fuckin vs. the artist
im glad you left deviantart, im currently trying to do something to make more people leave,
i hope you keep with your great work
and figthing those bitches !

2:59 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

I'm not really doing anything to make people leave or fighting DeviantArt.

I'm simply taking control over my shit.

But yeah, for what matters, fuck DA. :-)

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Seph said...

I don't check this blog often enough... but anyway, way to go out with a bang! Good job. I'm not a regular DA visitor but I knew it was going under when some of my favourite artists were taking shit over nothing.

5:19 AM  
Blogger Neko said...

Ha! a month has passed after the incident and i just got the news:(

too bad about your DA account, but to be honest, their "moral" code was just holding you back, i wish you luck with your new gallery outside facistArt, i mean DA..

12:23 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Thanks!

2:11 AM  
Anonymous Sir Johanna said...

I used to love dA back in the days, but now it seems they keep coming up with the most inane rules (Come on, policy violation for posting a forum thread with a title all in caps? Now they're just making shit up.) and don't get me started how they reinforce the rules. Still, dA is the place where I can find all my favourite artists and friends, plus I like large communities so I won't be gone unless I get banned. I still keep hoping devART will stop the massive cock suckage, but chances for that are quite slim from the look of it.

I must say, you got yourself banned in an amusing way. More power to you. ;P

6:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I googled "How to Get Banned from Deviantart" and this came up. I've turned paranoid that my father will google my username (he googles everything) and find out what I've been up to. I haven't done anything, but I'm still waaaay paranoid about everything in my life anyway. I deleted everything with my name on it on DeviantART, but there's still my comments and such. The photo you submitted to get yourself banned was obviously very effective (kind of intense, you must admit). Would you allow me to please submit that image so that I could be banned? Do you think it would work, or would I be banned only temporarily?

9:46 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

I think you would get banned for good. But if it's only a temp ban, then just post it again and you'll get banned for good FOR SURE.

And please, DO USE IT! I would be glad if it would become some kind of free-speech meme. :-)

12:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, last night was fun. I sufficiently got banned from almost every chatroom on dAmn by repeated postings of the llama emoticon. The llama emoticon is specifically against the rules due to its unusually large size. One user was sympathetic to my apparent immaturity, so I told them that I planned to get banned, and they gave me an excellent suggestion: spam the userpages of famous people in the DA community. Remembering the size of the llama, I repeatedly posted huge comments in a pattern of alternating llamas and links to my gallery. After doing this to about ten admins whose names I located through a google search, I posted several pieces of blatantly UNoriginal work with which everyone is familiar (e.g. the DA 'hug' emoticon, the WalMart logo, the Coca-Cola red disk logo). Within a few seconds, each of these submissions had earned several views. They also received several comments (mostly positive ones, actually :D) and even a favorite. But of course now all but two have been taken down. I don't know why the two remaining images are still in my gallery, as they were some of my most obvious copyright violations. In hindsight, I probably should have done something really obscene to get an instant permanent ban. This morning I was notified that I was merely suspended for two weeks. But, as soon as those two weeks are over, I will submit your image. :D
(Suzi9mm's page was the first one I spammed; when in the chatrooms, I also described to everyone how she is "above the law")

9:21 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Do it again when you get unbanned.

11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a great site, how do you build such a cool site, its excellent.
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10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today is the day. I'm finally un-suspended from that two-week thing. It's now 9:30 exactly. At 7:28 this evening I posted a normal photograph of a sunset, to test and see whether I was even still capable of submitting deviations regularly. I was. I then submitted the picture. It collected a number of views immediately, but they came to a stand-still as other deviations pushed it off the main pages. I re-submitted it in various areas seven times. I found that using a preview image bearing the word "NUDE!!" in large letters had a highly positive effect on the number of views. Amazingly, I still haven't been perma-banned. I've spammed a many major administrators' pages: spyed, suzi9mm, kevin, lolly, etc.

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:21: BANNED. Total spammage of the dAmn chatrooms finally brought me to the attention of admins. Getting banned was a lot of work! The last time I was disconnected from the chat for this Reason: "Stop being such a dick"

10:31 PM  
Blogger El Autor said...

A la verga Deviantart Sirkowski, no necesitas a esa bola de ñoños, aquí tienes unos ñoños que son fieles a usted.

Saludos desde Mexico.

-El Autor.


TRANSLATION:
Fuck Deviantar Sirkowski, you don't need that bunch oo' nerd, you have your own personal nerds over here.

Grettings from Mexico.

-El Autor.

3:44 AM  
Anonymous Anders said...

That drawing is one of the classiest ways I've seen to get yourself permbanned.
Another way that probably would work is to post communist propaganda posters. Or worse; CUBAN propaganda posters :D
-N3

3:05 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

DA is full of commies. I doubt that would work.

12:53 AM  
Blogger Stephanie said...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Et c'est apres tout ce temps la que je tombe par hazard sur cette page et que je comprend tout. C'était le temps je pense.... Tres 'belle' image btw ;) et felicition pour le 'bang' :D

11:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, fight the power brother!

10:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow I wish I was like you but I'm really confused as to why I was banned. Hey I'm not even a teenager yet and I find it really hard to find a site with a vast amount of photography. It's been about a day now since I've been banned and I've sent them an email to ask why this happened but no reply so far. Like I said I really don't have a clue why I was banned, I never use "foul" language and I've never broken the policies (like you did, which I'm not saying is a bad thing, you had your reasons!) I certainly did't post anything "mature". I didn't get any warnings and I now have a ! (which means a permanent ban I think) It's really confusing and, with 15,000 pageviews in less than a year I was really excited and looking forward to my part in the community. I completely agree with you on the fact that popular deviants get away with "murder" and people like me (who have never broken any rules to begin with) get banned (and I really completely can't think of what I did) Realitysquared posted a "myths and legends" news topic where he stated that they take banning very seriously and that their use is monitored closley. It says in the article: "Whether it is obvious or not, every ban has a reason behind it and most of them are temporary ‘warning’ measures. Why ban as a warning measure? Warning bans are reserved for those who have a history of violating our policies." I NEVER was warned and later on it says: "Banned deviants are always informed of the reason for their ban (their own user page depicts the reason and displays it for them when they login and visit it) and the length of time for which they are banned" I wasn't informed either, but hey, maybe I'm just being impatient and it certainly doesn't say how long I'm banned for (unless the ! means I'm banned forever, in which case I've done something extremely bad and I'm sure I would know what if I had) If I'd know DA was going to treat me like this I would've enjoyed going out with a bang.

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Rach said...

I left DA, too for the same reasons plus a whole lot more.

Best to you and your endeavors.

6:59 PM  
Blogger StEphanie said...

I keep getting banned there!It is driving me mad but I have no where else to post my art where people will actually see.I HATE DEVIANTART!!!!!!

2:32 AM  
Blogger Hentaikid said...

I wish more artists understood how they're feeding these large "user submitted sites" with their valuable content when they could be building and benefitting from their own sites without having to bow to anyone's rules. I have a friend whom I bought a domain for, installed a blog software with gallery scripts and all, and he never fucking used it and told me not to renew the domain. Now he's using flickr and whining about their censorship policies. *shakes head*

At least deviantart cares enough to make it an artists site, and people do get banned for stealing other people's work, which makes it a bit better than imageboards, but still...

7:28 AM  
Anonymous Shogun said...

Look i know of the corruption there are loads of wasys to sidestep the deviant art ban if we win enough support we can rid the core admins and make deviant art a democracy.

7:40 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Uh... please no. Not going back there no matter what. Read HentaiKid's post.

1:44 AM  
Anonymous shogun said...

look if we untie we can overthrow the admins

10:13 AM  
Anonymous Pinkalicious said...

Hmm well I would of paid to see that

10:25 AM  
Anonymous Shogun said...

come on untie we can strike in the new year

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Shogun said...

come on guys unite we can over throw these facist pigs on deviantart.Unite and join forcers we can also get rid of corrupt beta testers and make beta products availble to all deviants I know a plan. To get rid of all coprate infulence where all devaints are equal democracy shall rain through deviantart and also we shall overthrow suzi9mm I dream of that day. Devaints who have been banned trying to make deviant art equal you have not left in vain. In the new year DEMOCRACY TO DEVAINTART!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8:40 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Dude, learn to pick your battles.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous shogun said...

what do you mean

2:08 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Are you serious?

9:10 AM  
Anonymous shogun said...

dead serious and if you do not join me i will do it on my own and on this blog invite you to deviantart in the new year when suzi9mm and the other admins are gone.

12:22 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

DeviantArt is not a democracy, it is the private property of its owners. You or I do not own DeviantArt and in the end have no business telling them how to run it. If you don't like it, you leave and start your own website. Fuck DeviantArt and fuck all 3rd party websites. As HentaiKid said, artists should take care of their own business to keep their independance.

Whatever you do, I'm not going back to DA. You're wasting your time and you're on your own.

12:04 PM  
Anonymous shogun said...

I am not asking you to join me. Look back in russia cuba china korea. It had coprate influence until communist leaders took over I will take it by force and make it a democracy. If the people cause an revoulution and make those companays bankrupt.And what if iam on my own lenin was on his own and look at russia before 1991

12:42 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Lenin was an asshole and you're starting to become one too. Now stfu because you're really getting on my nerves.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous shogun said...

yes i know but iam not like him you and asshole and a cock and your gay and you smell and your weak and you are a peice of rubbish and this is the last comment i shall post good day

3:35 PM  
Blogger heavyoak said...

yea I was banned too. I decided to make a new DA account to keep an eye on stuff.
on and Im wanting to have a gallery
too to post all of my stuff That got me baned.
any tips?
oh and my new account, well i went from heavyoak to heavyoak1.
The DA admins are soooo dumb!
Oh my blog is here:http://heavyoaksrandomwebstuff.blogspot.com/

3:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sirkowski I have two question would the admins accept constructive critismims eg it's good but the color needs to be a bit darker? and does the devaintart ceo know about the rule breaking and if so does he break the rules himself?

8:21 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

heavyoak
My tip is don't use DeviantArt and start your own website.

Anonymous
1) Some would; some won't.
2) The present owner of DA stole it from the creator. So here goes the rules.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is it me or do beta testers get away with everything there

12:50 PM  
Anonymous shogun said...

Sorry for callig you all those bad names siworski. Ps I am not going to bring democracy to deviantart it's the deviants problem from now on.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry you had to go through that stress. I had same thing happen to me a couple years ago, although my art was nowhere nearly as popular as yours. DA sux.

11:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just removed all my work from deviantbollocks because one of their smug admins decided to arbitrarily relegate one of my pieces to scraps, on the basis that it was not a photo manipulation. (Oh yes it fucking was, but you didn't bother to enquire first, did you, wiseass?). Screw 'em. I shall find or create an alternative.

7:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you hate deviant art the best way to get back at them is join a new art community called the seventhcomplex. http://www.seventhcomplex.com/

the dude who built the site, built the whole thing cos he was banned from dev aswell.

11:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ROFL i been pissed off at DA motherfuckers for a while now so IM GUNNA POST UR PICTURE
death to tha mutherfuckin DA

3:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in one fell swoop you've ascended from intelligent mortal to god in my status. Those pains in the ass at DA think very highly of themselves. Ah well, like a psychotic schizophrenic pussy they'll eventually realize how hard they blow and the whole world will die laughing at them.

2:07 AM  
Anonymous Tomas (From Australia) said...

Hey Sirkowski :)

You don't know me and I don't expect you to XD I've been visiting your site for some time now, and although I may be Religious, not once has your stuff insulted me...

If Deviantart though it right to ban your right to freedom of speech then F*** them in their tight-pompous asses! I for one would vote to have kept you on... not like that Todd Faggot or what ever his name was, damn art-thief :(

anyway mate I'd just thought I'd drop a line in here to say you're making me think twice about keeping my Deviantart account, it's all capitalist BS where they make money off of the talents of young and stupid artists who don't see what they're really doing.

meh... I'll shut up before I start bullshitting meself =P

All I can finish with is, Fuck those who hate your art, Fuck anyone who gets insulted by it and fuck everyone who applies to the last two and have no sense of acceptance and humor!

Keep up the great work and keep your individuality, at least someone has the balls to speak up fer themselves!

from a fan,
Tomas

12:19 AM  
Anonymous Victoria (hater of DA) said...

Heh, more dick girls!

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SSSSSSIIIIIIICCCCCCCKKKKKKK!!!!!
Nice one bro! (Im a devient account holder as well but very nice man.)

4:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah fuck that shit! And nice work :D

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Boomer said...

you guys would not believe this. I read this yesterday, just for a laugh. Today, I check out the recent devations, I find this:
http://lillillilli.deviantart.com/art/Cute-Picture-72498276
LMAO!

8:54 PM  
Anonymous Chris said...

OMFG!
idea!
I'd spend some big bills and buy up a shit load of DA, and fill it with THE MOST freaky deaky shit in the word. Nothing but nazi dickgirls sucking cock of jew dickgirls, while being sodomised by chuck norris wearing leather.
realy freaky shit.

then DA cant do a damned thing cuz "hey, lose me you lose MUNNIEZ!!"

8:25 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Forget it, I had a paid account.

For that to work you would need to be a sponsor.

8:53 PM  
Anonymous dbgtwill1 said...

i love this site and love 2 see all the things u talk about its a real trip DA now sucks they lost there mojo and there colapseing on it self pissing of the members is a bad idea they support the site and post the realy funny stuff excuse my spelling
i know it sucks i just wanted 2 drop a line and as u can see by my name i like dragonballz can u guese the type of picks i want 2 see lol keep up what ur doin u rock
feel fre 2 email me
dbgtwill1@gmail

12:37 AM  
OpenID RavenWingY2K said...

hei im happy u stood up to those da fags..i just recently made an account there nd now aftr reading this i dnt think i want it anymor..hei i hav an idea..anyone wanna get me banned..?!? lmao

username: xAceofHeartsx
password: hahhlool

2:35 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

As you wish! http://xaceofheartsx.deviantart.com/art/suck-my-cock-nazi-faggot-78334911

5:08 PM  
OpenID RavenWingY2K said...

lmao thx..but i havent been banned yet..! lol nd its been lyk wat 4 days..!? how long does it taik..?? or do thay even giv a krap anymor cos so0 many ppl hav posted that pic.....

10:51 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

It took a few weeks for the last guy. It'll help if people report you.

11:32 AM  
Anonymous Darlo said...

I find it ironic ... well, cheeky even, that if you type Sirkowski into google your old DA account comes up second (after this site)

11:10 PM  
Blogger LikaLaruku said...

A pitty, if you had a DA account, I could actualy email you since the one you have posted on contact is as dead as Schwarzenager's acting career.

6:38 AM  
Blogger Draygoes said...

Congrats man!
I cannot believe that you didnt do this sooner.

Goodbye to deviantard!

Oh and P.S.
Call an admin names. Gets u banned in instantly.

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