Friday, January 23, 2009

The Bible promotes abortion

I thought I knew about most of the contradictions between the Bible and what its followers believe, but this is a shocker. (I don't claim to be the first one to find this.)

We already know that it's legal to kill a pregnant woman if the conception is from an extra-marital affair or prostitution. (Deuteronomy 22: 21) I won't copy/pasta cuz it's a bit long, but in Numbers 5: 12 to 31 unfaithfull women who have fallen pregnant are told to go to the priest. The priest will give them "bitter water", the woman's belly will swell, her thigh will rot and she will miscarry. Abortion existed in various methods in those days and the description seems pretty obvious. (I'm reminded of the death of a major character in Rome season 2.)

It's abortion in the interest of the husband's honor, not the woman's health, but it is what it is.


Anonymous Jonas said...

You have to remember that even though people had start to understand and come to grips with the discovery of human intellagents these people where not that far removed from chucking rocks at each other and believed sickness was caused by demons.

Even though as much time has pasted and technology and science has evolved the human mind is much much slower. There are still a couple million people who still believe in the mircale of some old indian monk and his never ending rice pot, when the rest of us know he is feeding the pot with rice from his sleeve.
Basicly what I'm saying is with all the wars and murdering we have yet to succeed in killing off all the stupid people.

2:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heh. Nice try. The Bible does say something against abortion although not directly. You can check and Exodus, Deuteronomy, Genesis, and Proverbs. In fact the Bible is against abortion, so in fact that contradiction is null and void.

4:00 PM  
Anonymous MossMan said...

You call that an argument, Anonymous?!?

"It does, 'cos someone says so... so there!"

4:35 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

You get a slap and a fine. And it's only illegal if you abort the child of another man without his permission. And that's only because the unborn is the private property of the husband, like his cattle and his slaves.

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where do you find the time to find this stuff?

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the other anonymous, that's not a smart question to ask if you're trying to defend the Bible. Also, let's not forget killing the first born Pharaoh son of Egypt.

6:48 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

His phrasing was vague. He was either defending it or calling bullshit on the Bible. Or just trolling.

As for time, it was just a lucky discovery.

8:45 PM  
Blogger Kai v3.0 said...

I've always hated the wording used in certain versions of the bible. It just lends itself to confusion and misinterpretation.

As for the firstborn sons of Egypt...first where does it say that it was only Pharaoh's son... and second they had a fair warning. They knew what measures had to be taken in order to preserve their sons alive and most of them laughed in the face of danger.

And yet after nine times they were shown the awesome power of God they still refused to believe.

Listen to me. I've gone insane.

9:32 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Pharaoh didn't heed Moses' warnings because God hardened his heart. So basicaly, Pharaoh was evil because God made him so.

Pretty fucked up.

Although that reminds me of this reverend who claimed that all non-Christians were just drones sent by God to test his fate.

9:53 PM  
Blogger Kai v3.0 said...

Yeah, but I see a difference between forcing someone to do something and allowing someone to do something. As far as I see it, it would be akin to telling someone that smoking is bad for them, and showing them what can happen if they pick up/continue the habit, but leaving them the choice of not listening.

1:10 AM  
Blogger Daniel said...

Truth be told, I'm starting to think the only people who have actually read the Bible cover-to-cover are non-believers (or irreversibly insane). Now, I'm not implying that Sirk has read much of the Bible at all, but I will say that the non-believers I've met can usually recall more details from the Bible than most any believer I've known. What I and these other non-believers have in common is that we were once believers ourselves. I figure after awhile it just gets too difficult for a logical mind to reconcile so many contradictions. It also helps that scientific explanations, while seemingly complicated, make more sense.

Xians who take the Bible literally are the kind who wait for some idiot to read the Bible to them. For example, I have a friend who doesn't even know the story of Job, which is something I've always thought was as basic as the story of Moses, but hey, given as fucked up as it is, I guess it's convenient for a believer not to know. I have to wonder if there are just people who are born without a desire to question anything.

More on topic, isn't there also a verse where god tells some guy to rip a fetus right from the womb? Fucking brutal, man.

1:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


1:58 AM  
Anonymous 0kami said...

I know this is kinda off-topic, but did anyone else catch Obama's shout-out to "non-believers" in his inaugural speech? I had a grin when that one came out!

5:18 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

I w00ted when he said that. :-)

11:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God never forced the Pharoah to be such a jerk. It's called free will. I'm sure we all heard of it. And I was not trolling, thank you very much. And I like how you assume every time someone posts on here, that you think it's a guy. Sure, the majority are guys but still. Anyways just because the Bible IS AGAINST it, doesn't mean it stopped people from doing it. Look at today.

2:53 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

You're not trolling? Really? You're "anonymous" and then you complain we have misconceptions about who you are?

Anyway, no, Pharoah has no freewill.

Exodus 4:21
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mentioned the Plagues of Egypt simply because a lot people are familiar with that story. There have to be many other verses in the Bible that contradict the typical pro life arguments, but I just wanted to point out that you don't have to look very hard to find them. No need to argue over whether it was a good comparison or not, I know it's not the best, but that's besides the point.

7:47 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Well be more clear next time.

11:32 PM  
Blogger Sonicdude135 said...

Now probably regreting this as soon as i say it here of all places. But I come from a christian background. Thats my path i chose Im sticking to it (unless convinced otherwise). we all are gonna die so im not gonna waste my one life trying to convince the world my way is right =P hell im not ashamed to admit i have doubts

That aside the point i want to make is this. No I havent read the whole bible cover to cover. But from the great deal I have read this is one thing I noticed. Unless you speak in the same tone they did back then. the bible can be confusing and misleading. thus can be interpreted in SO many ways. the pharoah and his hardened heart for example. To some one that could mean that he angered the pharoah to the point where the pharaoh would defy him to the very end. It was more influeanced than it was forced. cause as well all know the pharoah did break down eventually. (now not to be defensive of that one fact, im just using the current example)

anyways the bible does talk of free agency. so if the bible DOES infact mean he forced the pharaoh than there you have another contradiction. and thats a christian agreeing with you guys. im not going to delude myself into thinking any religion is perfect. its a man written book so surely it would be flawed.

so if you can 100% understand the bible then my hats off to you. I must not be educated enough to understand it.

Anyways To be honest I hate talking religion on the interenet cause it always leads to a shit fest. But every now and then I have to give my 2 cents. take it or leave it.

you can now feel free to flame me in any way you seem fit =D

1:59 AM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

What I know about the bible is that it's a fairy tale. There's some historical events sprinkled in there, but it's less reliable than Wikipedia.

That's pretty much all you really need to know. The rest, you learn it to stump people who imagine divine laws in those texts. Usualy just as a poor excuse to their own prejudices.

2:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you've misread this scripture SO badly.

what it's saying, is that if a man THINKS his wife screwed around on him, first he asks her.

if she says "no, dear, i haven't cheated" and he STILL thinks that she cheated, then he takes her to the priest, where she must swear she didn't screw around.

If she swears that she didn't screw around, then she must drink this "bitter water".

if she was lying, the water killed her, and in that case the blood guilt of any child she MAY have had fell on her shoulders because of the oath she swore.

if she was telling the truth, she was blessed, and had a child from her husband.

no abortion here at all.

read with understanding before you post.

12:36 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Uh... your explanation is pretty much the same as mine. In the end, my point was that according to the Bible, in this situation the unborn child was too be terminated. It's obvious that abortion induced by miscarriage comports a risk of death, especialy in those days.

The entire point is that it's ok to terminate the unborn if the mother was unfaithfull. Whether or not the mother dies as well doesn't change anything to that. Which means that in this case abortion is not just accepted by the bible, it is required.

Good ol' times, amirite?

2:44 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

By the way, this always happens when someone has a different interpretation, it's always something much more worse, depraved and attrocious. I guess I'm not cynical enough. (Yet I try!)

In before someone telling me the bible says you actually have to rape the fetus before the abortion. X-D

There's a good comic strip in there.

2:56 PM  
Blogger Sonicdude135 said...




6:49 PM  
Blogger Sirkowski said...

Then why isn't Miss Dynamite in there??? D-: *shakesfist*

7:03 PM  
Blogger Sonicdude135 said...

I to was rather surprised by that. I mean what harm was it to just leave it there. you can wiki 10000000 more useless things =P

11:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, I think it's weird how people claim that the Bible is meant to be interpreted and in the same breath they'll claim it's the eternal word of God. Hypocrisy much?

10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I hate to say it people all have different interpretations of the Bible. Hence why there are different branches of Christianity...

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have to say even if the bible said this crap who would really care. the bible is really outdated and boring anways.

11:28 PM  
Blogger Bruno said...

Like a music from bad religion i heard these times :

"I don't know what stopped
Jesus Christ from turning
every hungry stone into bread
and I don't remember hearing how Moses
reacted when the innocent first born sons lay dead
well I guess God was a lot more demonstrative back when
he flamboyantly parted the sea,
now everybody's praying,
don't pray on me"

5:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kind of funny... My father is a Biology Major and an anti-creationism advocate. He also spoke at debates against creationists and ID nutjobs. Yet He's a Christian. Funny thing, though, is that most of his friends and co-workers that are not Christian actually have no qualms with the religious. They could care less what the hell you believe and think the entire anti-Christian nonsense is jsut that, anti-Christian nonsense. Fine by them, as long as you know the mechanisms behind the cells and whatnot. And I doubt "most un-believers" you know have read the Bible front to back. Just because they say that have, does not mean they have (blue Letter Bible can pull up any verse, twist it the way you please), just as many Christians who say they've read the complete works of the Bible have not. Instead of being a bigot and delusional jerk about another's opinions, why not do something productive, like working to advance medicine? Why don't I do something more productive, like actually posting where people care? Meh, maybe I should. This reminds me what my dad always says, "An ass is an ass is an ass." Tip of the hat if you get the reference. And I think you got the verse wrong, about the Pharoah at least. I don't think the God guy was saying he was going to hardened the dude's heart himself, but what this Hebrew God had done had hardened his thought. Instead of pulling out a verse and saying what you want about it, like most Christians do, talk to someone who actually studies it.

-J. Newman

10:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a blog post. This person obviously has no real background in this form of education and will pull stuff out his or her ass accordingly. It's like modern interpretations of Shakespeare, creationism, or moon landing conspiracy theorists. People with no background in that particular work (like the laughable "back in sunday school" garbage) passing off what they believe to be "proof" or "truth."

11:04 PM  

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