We're gonna lose the war in Afghanistan
NATO, and that means us, are gonna lose the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
What was the point of going in there if the old fundamentalist order just comes back as it was before? The Taliban were never the objective anyway. We were supposed to catch or kill Bin Laden, or to a lesser extant his lieutenant, Zawahiri. And we know they're hiding in Waziristan, Pakistan; but nothing is being done. NATO forces will not enter Pakistan and the Pakistani security forces will not enforce the laws in Waziristan, so what's the point?
Canadian soldiers are dropping like flies in Khandahar, the former Taliban stronghold of Afghanistan. The Canadian army has the mandate to try to pacify the region until at least 2009 and perhaps longer. Prolonged military occupations are always a disaster, so what the hell are they thinking? The longer we fight the Talibans, the better they get at insurgency and guerrilla warfare. In fact, the Talibans have stopped attacking Canadian troop in direct combat, a losing strategy. They instead now use road side bombs. A tactic the Canadian commander in Afghanistan has complained to be cowardly. Somehow I doubt the Talibans will have pangs of conscience because our commanders got all emo. Complaining the enemy is using unfair tactics in guerrilla warfare is a sign you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
If the US wanted a show of force after 9/11 but didn't want to get rid of Osama, they just had to bomb Afghanistan and go home. It would have been more logical. And why is Canada suffering the heaviest casualties of NATO in Afghanistan? The Canadian government wanted to please the United States after our refusal to join the coalition of fucktards that went to Iraq. I guess joining one failed war is better than joining two. But why not none at all?
But it gets worse. The AP reports that more Afghani civilians are killed by allied bombs than by the Talibans. Forget about hearts and minds, we can't even seem to protect their limbs. And as William S. Lind mentioned recently, "calling in air [strikes against an insurgency] is the last, desperate, and usually futile action of an army that is losing".
For a while, supporters of the war in Afghanistan have said that we shouldn't confuse the war in Iraq with the one in Afghanistan. That opposition to Iraq does not equal opposition to Afganistan since they are two different missions. While Iraq was about lies, Afghanistan was indeed a haven for AlQaeda. And the Talibans were guilty of crimes against humanity or close enough. And I don't disagree with that. Would eliminating the Taliban with extreme prejudice be a worthy cause? Fuck yeah! Is bringing democracy to an oppressed people a noble cause? That too. But to do that, you need to win the war. Whether there is such a thing as a just war is irrelevant if you don't win that war in the first place. A lost war is never just or fair to the loser. And in the Canadian context, the fact is the only ones at war are the soldiers in Khandahar. What sacrifices are the Canadian people doing to win this conflict? The Canadian government tells us this war is important, but they don't tell us to win it. And from what I see in the United States, I suspect the same goes for other NATO allies. The Talibans can stay forever in Afghanistan; we can't. It doesn't matter that the Talibans are fighting for a disgusting ideal, nationalism is always stronger than democracy.
Why don't the Canadian government raise a war tax to support the war effort? With the money raised we could build more schools than the Talibans have bombs. But the government, especially the Conservatives who are in a minority position, would not risk its next election by raising taxes. And the Canadian citizens simply have no stake in Afghanistan that would be worth taxing. There are many countries that are poor and oppressed. One more or one less won't affect the programming on cable TV or won't stop the suburban grass from growing. In other words, nobody cares. And you can't win a war nobody cares about. And unless your survival lays in the balance, you don't enter a war you can't win.
What was the point of going in there if the old fundamentalist order just comes back as it was before? The Taliban were never the objective anyway. We were supposed to catch or kill Bin Laden, or to a lesser extant his lieutenant, Zawahiri. And we know they're hiding in Waziristan, Pakistan; but nothing is being done. NATO forces will not enter Pakistan and the Pakistani security forces will not enforce the laws in Waziristan, so what's the point?
Canadian soldiers are dropping like flies in Khandahar, the former Taliban stronghold of Afghanistan. The Canadian army has the mandate to try to pacify the region until at least 2009 and perhaps longer. Prolonged military occupations are always a disaster, so what the hell are they thinking? The longer we fight the Talibans, the better they get at insurgency and guerrilla warfare. In fact, the Talibans have stopped attacking Canadian troop in direct combat, a losing strategy. They instead now use road side bombs. A tactic the Canadian commander in Afghanistan has complained to be cowardly. Somehow I doubt the Talibans will have pangs of conscience because our commanders got all emo. Complaining the enemy is using unfair tactics in guerrilla warfare is a sign you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
If the US wanted a show of force after 9/11 but didn't want to get rid of Osama, they just had to bomb Afghanistan and go home. It would have been more logical. And why is Canada suffering the heaviest casualties of NATO in Afghanistan? The Canadian government wanted to please the United States after our refusal to join the coalition of fucktards that went to Iraq. I guess joining one failed war is better than joining two. But why not none at all?
But it gets worse. The AP reports that more Afghani civilians are killed by allied bombs than by the Talibans. Forget about hearts and minds, we can't even seem to protect their limbs. And as William S. Lind mentioned recently, "calling in air [strikes against an insurgency] is the last, desperate, and usually futile action of an army that is losing".
For a while, supporters of the war in Afghanistan have said that we shouldn't confuse the war in Iraq with the one in Afghanistan. That opposition to Iraq does not equal opposition to Afganistan since they are two different missions. While Iraq was about lies, Afghanistan was indeed a haven for AlQaeda. And the Talibans were guilty of crimes against humanity or close enough. And I don't disagree with that. Would eliminating the Taliban with extreme prejudice be a worthy cause? Fuck yeah! Is bringing democracy to an oppressed people a noble cause? That too. But to do that, you need to win the war. Whether there is such a thing as a just war is irrelevant if you don't win that war in the first place. A lost war is never just or fair to the loser. And in the Canadian context, the fact is the only ones at war are the soldiers in Khandahar. What sacrifices are the Canadian people doing to win this conflict? The Canadian government tells us this war is important, but they don't tell us to win it. And from what I see in the United States, I suspect the same goes for other NATO allies. The Talibans can stay forever in Afghanistan; we can't. It doesn't matter that the Talibans are fighting for a disgusting ideal, nationalism is always stronger than democracy.
Why don't the Canadian government raise a war tax to support the war effort? With the money raised we could build more schools than the Talibans have bombs. But the government, especially the Conservatives who are in a minority position, would not risk its next election by raising taxes. And the Canadian citizens simply have no stake in Afghanistan that would be worth taxing. There are many countries that are poor and oppressed. One more or one less won't affect the programming on cable TV or won't stop the suburban grass from growing. In other words, nobody cares. And you can't win a war nobody cares about. And unless your survival lays in the balance, you don't enter a war you can't win.
posted by Sirkowski at 3:10 PM
15 Comments:
your right. alot of people dont care and that does hinder our ability at winning.
I for one dont care. and im sorry if it makes me sound like a jerk and ass. but I was never for this war. IF people wanna send over terroristic attacks on us for some crazy belief, then I say give them a warnning and then bomb them. or just skip to the bombing part. Cause this whole war and trying to control them is just redicoulous. they're big boys and girls (although girls dont have much of a role there) they can handle themselves. this war is just an endless battle thats gonna casue suffering till the day we finally relize its a lost cause and pull out.
and I honestly dont know much about this war to really be prattling on like I am. I got so confused. one day you pick up the newspaper and uh oh 9/11 happens and we blame Osama. the next day we somehow switch to Saddam and weapons of mass descruction. things kept changing and getting outta hand I just figured fuck it. aint nuttin I can do till election day, when that monkey will finally have ran his term.
funny. I was never even registered to vote till my first day of colledge a few days ago, where I got pulled on the streets by some random lady asking if I was registered to vote. said no, so she registered me =P
I must say though IMO the U.S. is a great place to live. it just happened to have been in the wrong hands the past 7 years. and im sorry for any other countries that got dragged into this mess.
do you want to know why were losing all these wars? its because the people running our countries are fucking older than dirt, and are using massivly outdated tactics that would have worked great during ww2. at the same time, the enemy have dedicated themselves to war and are inovating in the subject at an insane rate.
That too. :-)
I agree with the bombing instead of prolonged ground tactics. That would be quicker, safer and cheaper. But the war in Afganistan is damn near over isn't it? I don't hear much if anything about it from the news. And eventually Canada will come over to the dark side of the force, join the US, change the name to the United States of North America and they will get more support and better tactics.
The reason you don't hear much Afghanistan in the news is because nobody cares.
Well, as you may know, We need the oil that is there so if we just bomb it, we will just defeat the whole purpose of staying...On top of that Bush isn't the brightest crayon in the box...
I have to say, this isn't looking to good on america.. :|
I have heard that George Bush desires to have Canada and Mexico join the United States and become the North American Union, similar to Europe. Somehow this is advantageous to the corporate America who owns Bush.
The corporate fat cats want the Union for sure. I heard about this a while ago, and I disagree with it. I don't private companies digging their claws further into the government more than they already have.
What oil? The oil is in Iraq not Afghanistan. How are we losing? I checked out the casulties so far 345 US soldiers have died. How many Canadians? and I was joking about the USNA.
Before the war US oil execs. were in negociation with the Taliban to pass a pipeline in Afghanistan, from the rich oil fields of the Caspian sea. Afghanistan would still be the shortest route to import that oil.
As for the casualties, you don't win a war by getting a trophy for 'most kills'.
The reason the war is being lost is because we arent killing the important people in their organizations, killing the grunts has no effects since they will just keep recruiting them to come die for their cause
I dunno if killing Osama would really change anything by now (not that I would mind). Maybe right after 9/11, but even if Osama gets killed tomorrow, he'll get street cred with the Islamists for surviving so long.
Bush was probably the worse leader at the worse possible time.
One trillion dollars has been sunk into the Middle Eastern desert and the wastelands of Afghanistan...
Do you have any idea what amazing good could have been accomplished if that money had been spent on ANYTHING else...?
I'm not saying we should sink more money. Just saying if allies had really wanted to help, they would have done more. And they didn't. Now it's too late.
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