The Talibans and the Republican party agree
The Talibans and the Republican party agree: Obama does not deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
posted by Sirkowski at 3:19 PM
Friday, October 09, 2009
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That's a little below the belt, fella. I mean, you'd expect a shitstorm from both groups, but it's not particulary fair to compare them. Those are the types of comments they tend to make, and I think those of us who aren't totally batshit are better than that.
Well I agree with both on the point that he doesn't deserve it and I am very liberal. Someone on the forefront of so many confrontations around the globe does seem kind of contradictory to the standing of the peace prize.
I don't think he deserves it, either. For various reasons.
The prize goes to whoever "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".
So far, in 2009, who has done more? The Nobel Peace prize isn't just about what you've done, but also about your potential.
As for associating the Repubes with the Talibans... well... They cheered when the US lost the bid for the Olympics; the don't like the seperation of church and state; they don't do shit when people bring guns to public meetings; they have a manichean world view; Osama Bin Laden wanted McCain to win the election, etc.
I'm not saying the two groups are the same. I'm just saying they're both groups of vicious retards.
And about Obama, if you look about who disagrees the most with his win: Republicans, Amehdinejdingdong, Hamas and the Talibans.
I say, when you're pissing off these people, you're doing something right.
I'm not saying he isn't Nobel prize material, not by a long shot, but it just feels like they're giving it to him just for being there.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/07/13/library-conference-secret-twitter-feed-proves-librarians-sexy-stern/
Also, I can't believe I forgot about that, but thanks to Obama, McCain/Palin are not President.
Stopping a wars is cool, but avoiding them altogether is even better.
Or maybe it's a ruse. Obama calls teh Talibans to negotiate, waving his Nobel as a sign of good faith. Then when the Talibans lay down their guards, Obama rips their heads off with his bare hands and gives purple nurples to Amhadinejad until he sings Hava Nagila.
I still don't get what the point of the comparison is. They may or may not both be groups comprised of "vicious retards" but their agreement on this particular issue doesn't really have any bearing on that. Even Obama himself was pretty non-plussed about the whole thing.
When I heard he won, I was kind of "What the hell?" myself.
Potential is all well and good, but...
Some of the past winners.
The organization Doctors without Borders. Hell, that ones obvious.
Nelson Mandela. Fought a long hard fight for democracy and against AIDs in Africa. Sounds pretty deserving to me.
Mother Teresa. Need anything be said?
Amnesty International. Worthy folks. And Aung Suu Kyi. (A personal favorite, was glad to see her remembered in the news this past year. Sadly, people seem to have forgotten again already.)
Lifetimes of dedication there.
Of course, then you get people like Mikhail Gorbachev. More or less "here, have a shiny pin" winners. They give them shiny metals to make them happy, and keep them from killing more people. And heck, I gotta admit, I don't know most of the other people who've won the prize.
But so far, all I can think of that Obama has done is, uh, get elected.
Sure, there's potential there but, big deal. Bush had potential right after 9/11. With the support and sympathy of the world, he could have made huge strides in national relations, co-operation, etc. Instead, he... Man, I don't know, are there words for the idiocy that followed?
If I had handed him a prize at the time, hoping that it would spur him to a path of peace... I think I'd be hiding now. And I HOPE that's what happens with Obama. That he takes it as a push to shape up. But really, so far he isn't doing too hot.
Quantanimo? That he said he was going to close? Still open. And he's looking for another base where he can move those detainees, just so that he can say that he closed it. Nothing would be different, it just wouldn't be called Quantanimo. Wow, that would be bril.
And as for ending the Iraq/Afghanistan deal, he set aside what, 30 minutes this past week talking with his general in charge? You know, taking time out from his busy schedule of trying to land the Olympics in Chicago?
Damn, where's my Nobel prize? I can do a shitty job too. :)
Rich, I just pointed you the similarities. If that's not enough for you, well eh.
Oh, I forgot they agree on abortion too.
And I'm not sure I agree with Mother Theresa getting a prize for telling poor people leprosy is a gift from god. But whatever, can't be worse than Kissinger.
Something that surprises me is the fact that everyone acts like the committee unilaterally decided to give him this award like three days ago. Same deal with the Olympics, like the IOC only meets for a few days every 2 years to decide who will host whichever seasonal games, then sit on their collective asses for 600+ days. Oh yeah, and the fact that Obama was only the SENATOR for Illinois. He was likely penciled to pitch Chi-town anyhow, even before he was elected President. (And it didn't matter. Rio was destined to win. They played the "never had the games in South America" card.)
No one seems to remember the "scandal" (which is likely back to business as usual) where the IOC members were more or less bribed by vacations in the various host city candidates. (Much like college athletes "don't get paid... wink wink") Where do you think you would have a better time? Chicago or Rio?
But I've strayed.
The point is, it is a process. You may or may not agree he deserves it, or the reason given why he won, but they didn't just meet for 30 minutes and say "Gee, lets give THAT GUY the Prize!" and they nod their collective heads and then call him up the next morning, never to do anything until next years winner.
Just because we live in the age of lightning quick news cycles and twitter updates, doesn't mean EVERYTHING matches our attention span.
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Well with the utter crap he's had to put up with from the ignorant and intentionally stupid, I would agree that eventually he should have won. But not right now. Not because of not deserving it, but because it now will actually be a hindrance to him. As for the Republicans and groups like Al Quieda and others, most people with very short memories (or intentionally faulty ones) forget that Republican party members help put those mad dog groups in power with money and weapons. AMERICAN money and weapons! Cheney was VERY proud of a picture in his white house office of him and some of his mideast buddies, who were founding members of Al Quieda. So you can say they are not the same, just as you can say each half of a set of conjoined twins is not the same as the other half.
@Sirkowski - Perhaps I didn't express myself as well as I could. I wasn't denying the comparison you made, nor denying that either group is capable of whole bunch of crazy. I just didn't understand what specific point your were making about the Republicans and the Taliban agreeing about Obama not deserving the Nobel Peace Prize, since there seems to be a general feeling from people of all political persuasions that the award was, at least, premature (at least that seems to be the mood here in Britain but perhaps that isn't the case in America). I just thought I might have been missing the crux of what you were saying. Just call me Devil's Advocate. ;)
Ronald Ray-Gun, when it suited his purposes, called the Taliban the "Moral Equivalent of our Founding Fathers." That's when he was flirting with WWIII by having the CIA arm them with Stinger Missiles to fight the Soviets.
Now, I don't claim expertise in American history, but I strongly doubt Benjamin Franklin carried a vial of acid from his lab in his pocket for the sole purpose of throwing it in the face of women he deemed "immoral". Matter of fact he knew quite a few women, the "Immoral" ones not the least of.
Even Obama was pissed that he got the peace prize. That means there is more pressure put onto him. On the other hand Obama made the US respected again by other countries.
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